Cigarettes And Alcohol
I entered the supermarket and looked around. Something was missing. The frozen food section was bigger than ever, the aisle end display products were screaming “buy me !” and people were massed around the “back to school” aisles. Nothing weird here. Yet, I couldn’t find what I was looking for.
I finally came to my sense before embarrassing myself by asking the stupid question. Of course I wouldn’t find wine in a supermarket. I was in Ontario !
In my defence, I have to say I don’t drink. So when I was asked to bring some wine to a dinner I was going to, I headed to the supermarket. Of course. I’d have done that in France. But this is North America, the continent where bottles of alcohol are put into a brown bag or an opaque plastic bag, where you have to show an ID to buy booze if you can at all, and where you can only go to designated places to satisfy your habit (or gourmet addiction if you prefer). Wow.
I grew up in Nantes, a fairly large city stuck between the Atlantic Ocean and the Loire river. It’s not Champagne nor Bordeaux but it has a lot of vineyards. And it’s close to Brittany, which is a big drinking country and trust me, not only of water. Most of my friend learned to drink with their parents. It starts at 5 years old, where you finish glasses of wine at wedding or special events. By the time you’re ten, you can make the difference between a Chardonnay and a Sauvigon. Between 14 and 25, you hang out in bars, discos and parties and perfect your experience with spirits.
Binge drinking used to be rare. The legal drinking age in France is 14 years old to buy beer (beer isn’t alcohol, right ?), 16 years old for wine (wine is cultural, right ?) and 18 years old to buy distilled alcoholic beverages (kids can wait for these strong shit from the English world… right?). There’s no minimum age for drinking in private. Of course. Added to the fact that legal stipulations placed on the purchase and consumption of alcohol are merely technicalities to which almost no one adheres, there’s very little enforcement of the legal drinking age. As a matter of fact, I had to research legal drinking age for France cause I couldn’t remember we had one. Drinking is not an issue. It’s a national tradition.
So what happens in a country where buying booze is as easy as driving (or walking… remember, you’re 14) to the nearest gas station or supermarket ? I mean, you can actually buy beer in McDonalds to go with your fries (and not eat the fries – we do have an healthy mind if not an healthy body). And in a country where there’s no legal drinking age ? Well, not much I’m afraid.
Drinking is just not a rite of passage. We have plenty of these : to get a driver license (at 18), to obtain the high school diploma and yes, to have sex for the first time. But drinking ? Nah. Sure, there must be a peak in partying and waking up the neighbours in the middle of the night around the first year of university but everyone has been drunk at least once way before that.
Therefore, French have a hard time understanding the concepts of fake ID’s, underage drinking and all the tricks north-American kids have to pull out in order to get a few bottles of the precious beverage. A lot of movies revolve around this idea though… Like the movie Superbad I saw last week. I don’t really get it to be honest, although I’m sure it’s partially for show and that kids don’t really wait to be 18, 19 or 21 to get wasted.
As for myself, as a true rebel, I didn’t feel like experiencing something legal and widespread. On top of that, I find beer way to bitter, wine too expensive and cocktails too sweet. I just stick to mint tea, grapefruit juice and Diet Coke. Call me boring if you want – I don’t care.
Do I think the way French handle drinks is stupid ? Well, kind of. I mean, sure kids don’t go crazy once they turn 21 years old and yes, wine is a national thing but drunk-driving is way to common and alcohol is so commonplace that not drinking isn’t normal. And a lot of people drink way to much… but the nation is in a state of denial even though alcohol is the third greatest cause of avoidable deaths in France.
But on the other side, North American society sometimes makes me raise an eyebrow. A society where kids are allowed to drive, own a gun (yes, it is a stereotype !)vote and go to war before being allowed to drink ? A place where people smoke 9 meters away from building doors but happily eat trans-fat products ? A place where they are two gyms in every block… along with three McDonalds and five Burger Kings ? Surely, European and Americans have different concern about health. French happily indulge themselves and don’t feel guilty about it (it’s cultural, it’s a personal choice, it’s the way we’ve always done it) whereas North Americans tend to be health freaks but don’t necessarily do things right when it comes to public health.
Meanwhile, I can’t help wondering whether there’s a happy medium between making alcohol a forbidden fruit and sucking up your first drink at age 5. Must be. Somewhere.







36 Voices from the world (eh !):
I stopped drinking, by and large, some years ago - but I agree, North America is a bizarre place when it comes to the rules around drinking. I have noted the driving, guns and military bits myself from an early age. I attribute it all to a very constrained and 'uptight' culture. Which, as you note, has it's advantages, and its disadvantages.
There's something to be said for both cultures. They do share one thing though. Arrogance.
I started drinking when I was around 13 years old or so [and I turned out just fine!] so it wasn't really a big deal when I turned 21. I didn't start going to bars until I was about 25 as I had no real reason to and I'm not very social as it is.
You mention a lot of good stuff here. One thing that's different about America (which may apply in Canadia, too) is that each State has their own liquor laws. In California, beer/wine/booze is sold in the supermarket (it has an entire aisle!! drooling!!) but in Colorado it is not. In Utah, you are only allowed to buy beer that is 3.2% alcohol (the stuff that other states like Colorado sell in the grocery stores while selling the "real" stuff at a liquor store) and the true Utah liquor stores are State-owned and very rare. Liquor stores aren't open on Sundays in Utah (or Colorado for that matter) which I don't understand in the slightest but you can buy 3.2% beer at the grocery store or "normal" beer at a bar/tavern/restaurant on Sundays.
From what you're saying it sounds like North Americans put a lot more stipulations and regulations on drinking and don't really get much more out of it than the French who place fewer restrictions. The problem is, just like with marijuana and other drugs, if you place too much focus and mystery around something and then make it against the rules for kids to consume it, they're going to rebel and consume it all they want. Kids have to be taught to treat drinking (and drugs) with respect just like they treat cars, guns - and other things that can kill them - with respect. If you show a child that people who smoke and drink are "cool" and those are sure-fire ways to have fun, that's what they're going to want to do as soon as they realize they can get away with it.
Great post.
We have isles in the supermarkets in Ohio, too. However, you can't buy alcohol on Sundays until either noon or 1pm in the afternoon.
Hey Zhu!
lol lol Oh yeah, you thought you were still in Europe, ey? lol...
I remember when I lived there, in Canada, my dad saying that alcoholic drink were bought in a different store...that it was different from Portugal lol!
Yep, in Portugal too, they start drinking very early *nodding*! Oh my...I am such an ignorant when it comes to wines (I don't drink either)! To me clubs and discos were to dance my butt off lol...I never stopped to drink, not even water lol.
Ok...it is definitely a latin thing! Girl, I could swear I was reading a paper on the Portuguese drinking habits: I'm telling you!
You are not boring, Zhu, you're cool!!! Trust me...
Americans and Europeans are utterly different: the first think that women aren't discriminated anymore, the second are still fighting for equal work pay *nodding*! Americans are more nonchalant than europeans, but I find us more intellectual than them...oh well, it's a balance I suppose!
I wouldn't know if there's a medium term...if you forbid it, people will feel encouraged to drink even more, if you give them wine at the age of 5...liver cancer is a possible scenario lol!
About your comment on my post:
I don't think it is hard to be a woman...I think that women need to go back to the basis (by that I mean going back to be simply women; without wanting to compete with men all the time, without wanting to be men...we are women, for heaven's sake, let's act as such)!
Men in Portugal: most are macho, but there are also some fine men here (ok, it's like looking for a needle in a hay-stack lol)!
Cheers!
Very interesting post. I think that the French/European way of treating alcohol is much healthier. Have a little with family growing up. It's not such a big deal to get drunk as an adult. People overindulge all over the world, but I think it's magnified in the US cause booze is forbidden and then a novelty for teens. Moderate drinking, once in a while, is safe as long as you're not driving.
I don't drink that often because I'm too lazy to drive to a state store. If it was in the supermarket I think I might have wine with dinner more often.
you can actually buy beer in McDonalds to go with your fries
Oh what bliss!
Ghosty : I'm not sure I would define the culture as constrained and uptight... but it is a bit hypocritical to send kids to war - without a beer ! Hard to understand for a European like me anyway.
In Ink : arrogance ? How would you define US and France's arrogance ?
T.D. Newton : I'm not saying that people who drink are alcoholic, that's for sure ! I just don't like the taste of most drinks but that's just me.
And I guess a lot of kids start younger as you did...!
From what you're saying it sounds like North Americans put a lot more stipulations and regulations on drinking and don't really get much more out of it than the French who place fewer restrictions.
It does look like the USA is spending quite a lot of time regulating alcohol consumption... and I've seen so much binge-drinking here I'm not sure it worth it. However, French have a problem with alcohol as well. State of denial as I said... tradition doesn't excuse everything.
Education is the key I guess... in both countries.
Tara : can't buy alcohol on Sunday ? That's weird... why is that ? I thought people would drink more on Saturday night...
Max : I'm not too surprised Portugal is like France is term of drinking - I think most Mediterranean countries are (and yes, I include Portugal !).
I'll be over at your blog to discuss woman a bit more... ;)
Jessica : I used to think the way French deal with alcohol was healthier too... I'm not sure anymore. I mean, people drink a lot - and it's not because it's cultural that it's okay. I'm lost now !
Dan : well, you know, on the other side, it's McDonalds Beer... :D
beer in Maccas? never knew that.
btw Zhu I completed the tag post..the one u tagged me on. so go read hun hehehe :)
Keshi.
So there are actually rules about this abroad?(actually I know from my stay in the UK,heh) Never gave it a thought really since I am not much of a drinker.
God bless Greece then for the unrestricted field of drinking joy that it is:)
Here in Greece there are only rules for legal age of drinking in bars etc and those are up to the bar owner's discretion really...
I dont think there are any restrictions for selling it to minors or anything.
Cool post as always!
Hi Zhu,
Being Dutch and having lived in France for half a yr when i was 22, i recognize the "french" way of treating alcohol (almost the same as the Dutch way)and all in all feel more comfortable with it.
As it happens, i have been on a organised holiday trip where one of the other people visiting was a judge. And she told us about the teenage binge drinking problems we apparantly have at the moment. Children of 12, 13 who start drinking at home (parents either there or not) and then go into a pub where older friends buy them drinks. After about 40/50 beers (not kidding here) they fall off their stool, are picked up by the police and brought to hospital.
So.. Yeah, i absolutely vote for a medium way.
have no idea whether that exists or would be possible though.
Hi Zhu,
So, you survived from the bad habit at a place where "a 5 year old can finish glasses of wine at special events", I must sincerely salute you.
But, please don't get influenced by
the kids who own the guns, a bit worried since you were trained in the national service to handle weapons :-)
This is a great post, well written and the subject is discussed in a very interesting way. I learned much about both the countries. Thanks for sharing.
I hate the fact that we can't buy a nice bottle of wine in the supermarket (where we BUY the food to go with it!); if only for convenience sake. I think it has a lot (everything?) to do with the government's need to control alchol purchases and not underage or other illegal access.
I love that! "North Americans tend to be health freaks but don’t necessarily do things right when it comes to public health"
Oh so true! Myself, I am a pariah and a contradiction in this aspect (I live in a "fat state" Michigan; it made the top fattest states list). I'm vegan and I love my booze (must be the Gallic in me). I would love to get back to Europe one of these days (my wife and I honeymooned in London and Edinburgh). Maybe her and I should get to the mainland and enjoy it there next time. I would have to bone-up on my French of course (I have three years high school; you wouldn't know it of course and neither do I).
Off topic; I followed up on a post you commented on at Church of Integrity. I'm an atheist too and just wanted share that.
You have a nice blog."YAP" U.K. has its share of alcohol abuse.Thanks for sharing.Wish you well
Well written... French culture has always been my one of my favorite.. Ho no nt just for alchol..Basically for its architecture and stuff....
I would say North America is too confused on what they want in life...
If u get time u read my latest post... abt Montreal.. I went there last week... I would say that was a different North America
This is so interesting Zhu I have not idea at all that in France children as young as 14 are allow to drink :(
No way here...must be at least 18 before one is allow to buy alcohol.
I do think it's a little strange the way we handle alcohol. And we're kind of setting it up as 'forbidden fruit' for teens. So is drinking & driving a big problem in France?
Keshi : I read your tag and you did a great job ! ;) For McDonalds... haven't you seen Pulp Fiction ;)
Deadpoolite : yeah, I was guessing Greece was like France... People take it easy and aren't too much into regulations...
dutchie : I heard about binge-drinking in Netherlands as well... not sure it's true. Netherlands seems to have a more "English" way of doing things - might be wrong. Thanks for visiting BTW ! :)
zunnur : promise, I won't get into guns :D I was sleeping during the training anyway :D
Paper Fan Club : it's true, wine in supermarket would be more convenient. But as you said, the gov' benefits from LCBO and all...
Larro : hi and thank you for visiting ! I'm usually quicker to reply to comments... ;)
I think we're all like that. I smoke but I tend to be picky about food, MSG and all. Funny, eh ?
We're just humans after all...
zingtrial : thanks for visiting ! Hey, we all heard about UK binge-drinking... it's a stereotype in France ! :$
CM-Chap : thanks for visiting ! French culture is fun to explore... but living in the country has its up and down as everywhere else ;)
I'll be over in a sec to read your Montreal post !
Shionge : I've heard Singapore was pretty strict actually for drinking and smoking regulations. Is that true ?
Diesel : drunk-driving is a huuuge problem in France... added to the fact road security regulation are pretty loose (130 km on freeway for instance !), France has a really high rate of alcohol related accidents...
wow what an amazing blog!
this is my first visit..i truly loved your writing
dun rem a scene like that...
Keshi.
I think this one of those topics where I am definitely ashamed of being English. For some reason there is something that makes many English folk go completely crazy when alcohol is put in front of them. Our laws have recently changed to allow 24 hours opening in pubs and bars (in vain attept to stop the binge drinking at 10.55pm as the pubs called last orders). But frequently when I travel aborad on holiday, the people making the most drunken noise are the English yobs... giving the rest of us a bad name.
This is probably a bad time to mention that the first time I got drunk was when I was 7yrs old. I was enjoying a few crafty swigs of sherry from my Grandmother's drinks cabinet one Christmas morning (I can remember spending most of christmas day laying on the sofa with a cold wet towel on my forehead, feeling rather sorry for myself) - my parents were NOT PLEASED!!! I'd love to say that I have never been drunk since.... but that would be a little white lie... oops!!!
Hey girl! I think you already know where I stand on alchol. I do love the way you write though. It's inspiring the way you tell a story.
Thanks for dropping by Ungodly Cynic and I welcome your comments.
I think there's always the aspect of money involved. People without conscience are running this world.
In Scotland, u can't buy booze before 12pm on Sundays (I guess cos u have to get to church sober, although no-one explains what happens if u've already got booze at home from the previous night) and no-one sells booze after 10pm... So, in a way, u have to pass out before it's too late. :)
phoenix : thanks for visiting and also for the praise - well, I'm human you know... :$
Getty72 : ah, it's okay, you turned out pretty well... even if you got drunk once at the age of 5 !
I think every country has a problem with alcohol or illegal substances. I mean sure, English drink quite a lot, but Canada is a pot country, and French smoke a lot... No one is perfect !
Lori : thanks ! How is your website doing ?
Larro : you're very welcome ! I have a busy week so I'm not online as much right now but I'll be back... ;)
Din : yes, that too... I mean, gov' love putting taxes on alcohol and see the money flow !
itelli : hi, thanks for visiting ! Whenever I hear about Scotland I think of the movie Trainspotting - sorry :D
I never quite understood the pub opening hours in the UK generally speaking (dry hours etc.). I wonder how people can remember them anyway !
You know it is so funny, the big difference between Americans and Europeans. I myself never understood American thinking or laws... I think they are so backwards. Americans will lay down their lives for dolphins and whales, but will not help their fellow humans who have no food to eat or homes to live in. I just don't get it.
I am not much of a drinker...I'm a cheap date, often settling for a water and cup of espresso after dinner.
Great post, Zhu!!
--sebastian
Binge drinking used to be rare. The legal drinking age in France is 14 years old to buy beer (beer isn’t alcohol, right ?), 16 years old for wine (wine is cultural, right ?) and 18 years old to buy distilled alcoholic beverages (kids can wait for these strong shit from the English world… right?).
OMG that was hilarious!! Hahahaha, I'm dying from laughter...
Wonderful post like usual.
In Australia, our limit is 18 for all alcoholic drinks so it's not bad at all.
But you sound awefully cynical about Ontario hahaha! Can't be as bad as that :P
Hey Zhu...I think my newest place is doing pretty good so far! Thank you for asking...Have you checked it out? I just wrote an article on Male Selective Hearing that a few people seemed to enjoy! I hope the link is okay;)
Anyways, come see it when you get a chance and tell me what you think!!
Zhu
Sorry have not been visiting - last days at work so am busy as hell, and I still have that meme you tagged me that I have to do.
This is an interesting topic and I agree with you wholeheartedly. Unfortunately, Singapore is not tagging far behind.... apart from owning guns.
Great Blog, well arranged and looks beautiful.
I wished i knew html, so i could do something to my blog, but these tagged languages are scary.
Some of your blogs are in French, I will read them someday, when i know some french ;)
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